Donofrio vs Obama discussed by Olbermann on MSNBC
Yesterday my cousin mentioned a blurb she happened to hear on TV about up and coming comments on the Obama “natural born citizen” SCOTUS ruling .. Keith Olbermann was mentioned. Since I have heard nothing on MSM (main stream media) about this issue I set my DVR to record his show.
The segment started like this:
The idea that Barack Obama is not actually a “natural born citizen” of this country is so ridiculous ….
(you can review the video for yourself below) Olbermann has set the tone so what followed was not much of a surprise.
The point that I found most interesting was a comment from David Horowitz … the comment directly below has comments that came to mind as I was listening (remember I talk to the TV).
Below that you will see the Horowitz comment intact.
“The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. ”
How about being aware that the “fringe group” is actually a “Loyal American Fringe” (and growing) concerned about the Constitution itself?
“What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil?”
WHAT DIFFERERENCE DOES IT MAKE? … that pretty much explains Horowitz’s thought process … loyalty lies not with the Constitution and the intent of our founding fathers.
What matters Mr. Horowitz is … if that person is actually a “natural born citizen” or simply a “citizen of the USA”. One qualifies as President one DOES NOT.
“Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others.”
At this point my jaw is dropping realizing Horowitz does not seem to comprehend how destructive HIS ATTITUDE toward this matter is to the Constitution.
“But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots?”
How viable will the Constitution be if they DO NOT?
How viable it is without “SOMEONE” vetting the worthiness of our most high HEAD OF STATE?
” … It is not conservatism: it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent.”
It is neither. It is LOYAL AMERICA tired to the teeth of those like HOROWITZ, OLBERMANN, HUFFINGTON and a myriad of others foisting their agenda on a population who thinks they are getting nightly news rather than “self interest propaganda“.
“Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation.”
I agree!
“Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election and get over it;”
NO LOYAL AMERICANS do not have to accept someone who is does not meet the specified requirements of the Constitution.
“and get on with the important business of reviving our country’s economy and defending its citizens, and – by the ways– its Constitution.”
There is no more important business than making sure the Constitution REMAINS in tact and the highest office of our land not be usurped by someone “without credentials”
David Horowitz
National Review Online
I am not sure if MSNBC has altered the content or context of this comment to fit their agenda since I was not able to find the original on the National Review Online site. Two things lead me to speculate on this one of them being the tone of Olbermann himself.
EDIT: It was not entact view the whole article HERE.
“The continuing efforts of a fringe group of conservatives to deny Obama his victory and to lay the basis for the claim that he is not a legitimate president is embarrassing and destructive. ….What difference does it make to the future of this country whether Obama was born on US soil? Advocates of this destructive campaign will argue that the constitutional principle regarding the qualifications for President trumps all others. But how viable will our Constitution be if 5 Supreme Court justices should decide to void 64 million ballots? … It is not conservatism: it is sore loserism and quite radical in its intent. Respect for election results is one of the most durable bulwarks of our unity as a nation. Conservatives need to accept the fact that we lost the election, and get over it; and get on with the important business of reviving our country’s economy and defending its citizens, and — by the way — its Constitution.”
David Horowitz
National Review Online
Arianna Huffington weighs in on the issue stating “I am not a national born citizen”.
Well that was a “no brainer” since both parents are Greek and she herself was born in Athens. So the question remains does Arianna REALLY know what “natural born citizen” means?
Arianna seemed stuck on the line “whether Barack Obama is a “natural born citizen” or not”. To her that was totally unacceptable “its like saying whether the earth is flat or not”.
I found that comment an interesting analogy since we know ONE is NOT and it appears the other is NOT also.
But then it is easy to laugh off the Huffington logic as no logic at all.
Below you will find the whole video clip from the Olbermann show:
Donofrio outlines his argument concisely on his blog in a letter to ABC News:
“The main argument of my law suit alleges that since Obama was a British citizen – at birth – a fact he admits is true, then he cannot be a “natural born citizen”. The word “born” has meaning. It deals with the status of a presidential candidate “at birth”.
Obama had dual nationality at birth. The status of the candidate at the time of the election is not as relevant to the provisions of the Constitution as is his status “at birth.” If one is not “born” a natural born citizen, he can never be a natural born citizen.”
DONOFRIO APPLICATION DENIED – WROTNOWSKI APPLICATION STILL PENDING
It needs to be understood that the Donofrio application to the Supreme Cournt was denied NOT REFUSED.
The Supreme Court had this issue before them since Nov. 19.
It is clear they are well aware of the issues … THEY CHOSE (for wahtever reason) TO DENY the application.
The mainstream media keeps saying the SCOTUS REFUSED to hear the case. That is being presented as fact by those who apparently are ignorant of what has occured. They DID HEAR THE ISSUE.
I leave it up to you to speculate on the why of it all.
Donofrio’s latest comment is “I am done”
Frankly I do not blame him.
PROOF: CHESTER ARTHUR CONCEALED HE WAS A BRITISH SUBJECT AT BIRTH
Apparently Leo Donofrio has tracked down the naturalization papers of Chester Arthur’s father.
He was naturalized in New York State and became a United States citizen in August 1843. But Chester Arthur was born in 1829. Therefore, he was a British Citizen by descent, and a dual citizen at birth, if not his whole life.
He wasn’t a “natural born citizen” and he knew it.
Because Chester Arthur covered up his British citizenship, any precedent he might have set that the country has had a President born of an alien father is nullified completely as Chester Arthur was a usurper to the Presidency. He wouldn’t have been on the ticket if it was public knowledge. Nobody knew Arthur was a British subject because nobody looked in the right place for the truth.
And it’s no precedent to follow.
Today is the day that the Supreme Court will decide to review or not cases involving Barack Obama’s “natural born citizen” state.
This situation is a hot potato for the Court.
My guess is they will do their best to figure out some way to simply dismiss all of the cases with a majority of Justices simply in hopes all of this goes away. If just one Justice dismisses the case the whole scenario starts over with the next Justice willing to listen.
There is a peaceful vigil taking place in front of the SC Dec 5th. It is to display solidarity in wanting the cases reviewed and to let the world know there are concerned citizens interested in the outcome.
Will the media report any of this? If they don’t that will be nothing new of course.
Here is another piece of information I got off the Donofrio site and thought I would share. This issue of “natural born citizen” seems to mystify everyone. Here is an explanation (again by Melissa)
Melissa Says:
December 4, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Fact: We know that the Framers recognized a difference between US citizens and natural born citizens.
We don’t need to look FOR the definition of natural born citizen.
We need to be looking AT the definition of a US citizen (which would be what is required to serve as Senator or Representative but isn’t quite enough to let one serve as President).
14th Amendment:
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
This gives the SAME type of citizenship to those who are either:
1. BORN in the United States
OR
2. NATURALIZED in the United States
A child BORN on US soil receives the same type of citizenship as someone that is naturalized.
Either could serve in the Senate or House but NEITHER can serve as President because they are only citizens. Not natural born citizens. They receive the same type of citizenship in different ways.
A child BORN on US soil to two foreign parents is a citizen of the United States.
A child BORN on US soil to one foreign parent and one US citizen is a citizen of the United States.
A person naturalized in the United States is a citizen of the United States.
All Citizens of the United States can serve as Senators and Representatives. They cannot serve as President.
So, now that we’ve figured out who CAN’T be President, who is left that CAN?
A person with two US citizens as parents.
Donofrio’s Statement about the World Net Daily letter writing campaign.
World Net Daily has organized a letter writing campaign to Fed Ex the SCOTUS utilizing the following headline at its web site:
“FED EX THE SUPREMES ABOUT OBAMA’S ELIGIBILITY”
I must draw attention to the fact that the article which solicits these letters has not educated the public to my case. The actual text of the letter they are sending is fine, but the article which solicits participation is incorrect. Here is what it says:
“…there is only one way to make your voice heard in time for Friday’s preliminary hearing – overnight delivery of your letter.
“Join more than 145,000 others in signing WND’s online petition calling for release of Barack Obama’s birth certificate and verifying beyond any shadow of a doubt his constitutional eligibility for office. This offer ends Thursday at noon Eastern Time to ensure all letters are delivered by Friday morning to the Supreme Court.”
That language is just awful. No birth certificate can “verify beyond a shadow of a doubt his constitutional eligibility for office.” Please. WND is basically saying that if Obama shows an original BC, then his is eligible beyond a shadow of doubt. That is is false.
I have REPEATEDLY stated that Obama can release a golden birth certificate signed by 100 gazzillion witnesses embossed in gold leaf that he was born on the mall in Washington DC and it still wouldn’t make him a “Natural Born Citizen” under the Constitution because he was, regardless of where he was born, a BRITISH citizen “at birth.” Since he was “born” as a British citizen/subject, his United States citizenship was not “natural”. World Net Daily has done a prior article where they did get it right, but at this crucial moment, two days before the SCOTUS meets, they are getting it wrong.
The article goes on to say:
“Farah launched a petition drive on WND two weeks ago that calls on all controlling legal authorities to ensure the Constitution is followed on the question of eligibility and for full public disclosure of the facts of Obama’s birthplace and parentage…”
There is no dispute about Obama’s parentage. His father was a British Citizen, and his mother was a United States citizen. Therefore, Obama was both a subject/citizen of the British monarchy as well as a United States citizen “at birth”. His place of birth won’t change that no matter where he was born. The WND letter solicitation fails to point that out and as such is doing harm to public awarenesss.
Here’s why: if Obama produces a genuine vault kept birth certificate from Hawaii that satisfies every possible requirement, many people will be under the mistaken impression that he is a natural born citizen. World Net Daily needs to correct that solicitation and let its readers know that Obama is not eligible regardless of where he was born.
I must ask readers of this blog not to participate in that letter writing campaign. I don’t believe this was an intentional error, but I must remain consistent.
Who is reporting the monumental flap that has arisen over Barack Obama’s belligerence in turning over documentation proving “Natural Born Citizenship”?
Apparetly no one other than those of us here on the Internet.
Moment by moment a new spark has been ignited until we are now experiencing a full blown fire that CAN NOT be extinguished.
A smolder that could easily have been stopped the moment the DNC and Obama himself were requested to present proof.
For those of you who landed on this page from some search engine or elsewhere in cyberland … if you are lost START AT THE BEGINNING HERE.
So why has Barack Obama REFUSED to make full disclosure?
Why would he be party to keeping this fire fueled?
Has he now painted himself into a corner from where there is no escape short of a Supreme Court BAIL OUT?
No matter what happens now, he will FOREVER have this doubt hanging over his head no matter what the decisions are.
All of these questions are ones I have asked myself hundreds of times since before election day on 11/4/2008.
None of them have been answered in my own head and the news MEDIA REMAINS MISSING IN ACTION.
Apparently others are beginning to voice the same complaint. Here is a piece written by Joan Swirsky of the Tulsa Today News titled The Great Birth Certificate Scandal/Cover-Up of ‘08.
This is a very detailed article and well worth the read.
Little by little the public is beginning to understand how they have been led/herded like “Sheeple” into ignorance.
There is nothing to fuel the public into outrage and action faster than showing they have been made FOOLS of by the MEDIA and their GOVERNMENT.
Again “we the people” have trusted MEDIA to tell us what to think and PARROT.
So here we are today fighting one of the largest attacks on our US Constitution to date and NOT A PEEP from those who should be on it like “ugly on a stick”.
It makes Bill O’Reilly’s “I’m looking out for the folks” the joke of the century.
I say that being a fan of his since he hit Fox.
Well the next noteworthy process in this out of control fire storm is Leo Donofrio.
Out of all of the suits filed … that of Leo Donofrio appears to be the one most likely to stick like spaghetti to the wall.
So who is Leo Donofrio?
A young lawyer who was inactive and had never filed a lawsuit.
A resident of New York, NY
Is now a tournament poker player with the nickname of Jet Schizo.
He started playing Hold em poker in 2002 and has made it a goal to be the best tournament hold em player the world has ever seen.
Today he finds himself in the spotlight fighting the corruption of an Ohio State judge while his case is up for consideration by 9 Supreme Court Justices on Dec. 5th. IF Four of the Nine Justices favor review, A hearing will be held.
No doubt the Justices are not anxious to be involved in this mess and indeed world not find it necessary had the Secretaries of each State been doing their jobs.
It seems that when all of this started to surface on the internet Leo’s Blog sites started to have a problem. He has to date gone through 2 and now is hopefully on a server that is more secure.
Keep updated on the progress of Leo and his suits by visiting his web pages at:
Latest Blog
First Site where you will find all of the original documents filed.
Second site is on a Google spam alert even though every effort has been made to rectify this situation.
For those of you interested in listening to the recorded interview with Leo Donofrio on the Lan Lamphere Show … they are below.